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#1 Phantom 309

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 02:40 PM

Help me out here. Macy needs one and it's been ages since I've shopped for a hunting rifle. She's only eleven years old but is already 5'8". I'd LOVE to get away without buying a "youth" model but I'm open to suggestions. We'll have her fitted before buying one.

It's probably wishful thinking but I'd like to just buy one that will work well for deer AND elk. At first I was thinking something in a .243 but that's not really ideal for Elk (at least with the skills of a first time hunter.) I have a .300 Win Mag and a .308 but both models that I have pack a good kick. We have a couple 6mm's but they're kinda expensive to shoot these days ( I think.) I was thinking 30.06 maybe? Possibly with a limbsaver and/or a light load. I'll break her in on the smaller calibers first but am still worried about here developing a flinch with a larger gun.

Anyway....give me some ideas. Particular models would be great. I'm looking for mid lever quality. Not a Tikka but not a Hi-Point. Action doesn't matter but It must be clip fed. She will also be shooting over the counter ammo (light reloads aren't an option.)

Same basic theory on the scope. I need it dependable, but don't want to break the bank until I know if she's going to stick with it.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:10 PM

I would give her the 308 and make sure she understands what she's in for.  I was handed a 270 and not told much. I was nervous everytime I pulled the trigger after that lol. I have killed elk and deer with my 308 without issue but most people will say it's not enough for a elk.  Good luck! I would consider a youth model savage axis if you don't want to hand her the 308. They are cheap enough that it may be worth it.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:23 PM

I'm leery of giving her the .308, at least this one. Hell, I don't even like shooting it. :laughing:  It's Ruger Mark II synthetic and it kicks like a fawking mule. I'm sure she'll have a huge flinch with it. What model do you have and how does it shoot? What loads are you using?

Who says that a .308 isn't enough for elk?!? Maybe I'm way off base, but I always felt that was a great elk caliber.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:26 PM

What's the quality of Savage's these days? I have a couple of older ones that are pretty decent, but nothing is made like it used to be.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:27 PM

Heard today from Guns west II that Savages suck ass.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:49 PM

They are cheap.  What do you expect.  The axis model has had some bad reviews but I think people are expecting too much.  Savage is definitely not what it used to be.  

http://www.cabelas.c...ges/1338908.uts

I hunt with this and have never had a issue. I abuse the gun to no end. The scope is decent as well.  If your buying a youth model I wouldn't want to spend a bunch of money.  Just my 2 cents. Your more then welcome to shoot it and see what you think Shane.  I also have a ruger American rifle you could try.  I have only shot it a couple of times but I feel like it kicks a bit more then the savage.    


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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:50 PM

Both 308

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:51 PM

JD'S daughter is shooting a Winchester 270, model 70.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:56 PM

Also maybe I am wrong but if you think 308 is too much then 30 06 and 270 are out for sure.  I would be looking for a 243. In my opinion 243 and 308 are pretty close.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 03:58 PM

My savage axis .30-06 with a redfield is a ok rifle for the money. It still holds a pattern and would do the job. Like Tanner said I'm sure its from people expecting a 200$ rifle to be like a 800$ one. Not suggesting a .30-06 for Macy, just saying lol.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:00 PM

Anyone had experience with a 7mm-08? On the small side for Elk but I've been reading that it has less kick yet similar ballistics to the Rem Mag.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:02 PM

View PostLandabuser, on 24 November 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:

JD'S daughter is shooting a Winchester 270, model 70.

This is one that I've been doing some reading on. It's what lead me to the 7mm-08.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:10 PM

View PostTryan100, on 24 November 2015 - 03:56 PM, said:

Also maybe I am wrong but if you think 308 is too much then 30 06 and 270 are out for sure.  I would be looking for a 243. In my opinion 243 and 308 are pretty close.


It could be models and loads but I see a huge difference from the .243's that I've shot to my .308 (or even the .300 and 7mm Rem mag)

As far as quality goes, you're probably right about the Savage reviews. People always want more out of something than what they paid, especially in guns. I'm looking to get something that I would consider mid level (Ruger, Winchester etc...)

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:13 PM

The more I dive into this the more I'm realizing what I already knew.....she'll need two guns. :2guns: One of them is going to have to be a "hand me down" though.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 04:35 PM

Lemme throw out another one.....what about a 30/30? Obviously just for deer but that's what I started on (and I think I have one.) What are they doing with these cartridges these days?

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:26 PM

6mm would be perfect for deer. It's basically a hot rod .243. Especially if you already have 2. Surprised to hear your 308 kicks that much.

For Elk I would get her a Mathew's.

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:35 PM

View PostSHREK, on 24 November 2015 - 06:26 PM, said:


For Elk I would get her a Mathew's.

The thought crossed my mind. Lol



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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:37 PM

Oh crap. I just re read the this thread. The Mark II that I keep referring back to is a .338, not .308. I've got to stop posting between customers at work!

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Posted 24 November 2015 - 06:47 PM

View PostPhantom 309, on 24 November 2015 - 06:37 PM, said:

Oh crap. I just re read the this thread. The Mark II that I keep referring back to is a .338, not .308. I've got to stop posting between customers at work!
That makes more sense. 270 would be about the smallest I would want to shoot for elk. If you are into tracking get a 7mm. 300 mag would be my next choice. Lot of gun for a young girl.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 06:56 PM

Generally,  the heavier the  bullet the more recoil. The has a lot of kick because it's pushing a 220 to 250gr. Bullet.  A .243 is not  comparible to a .308. The .308 is very similar to the .30 -06. The .270 is  a 30-06 case necked down.   I  have a .243 and a .270 that you can have Macy shoot to see how she handles the recoil. The 270 is probably the smallest caliber you would want to use on elk. The 308 or 06 would probably be a little better,  but a little more recoil. The 7mm mag, 300 mag, etc  would be to much for all but the toughest kid.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 06:58 PM

View PostJeepinJunk, on 30 November 2015 - 06:56 PM, said:

Generally,  the heavier the  bullet the more recoil. The has a lot of kick because it's pushing a 220 to 250gr. Bullet.  A .243 is not  comparible to a .308. The .308 is very similar to the .30 -06. The .270 is  a 30-06 case necked down.   I  have a .243 and a .270 that you can have Macy shoot to see how she handles the recoil. The 270 is probably the smallest caliber you would want to use on elk. The 308 or 06 would probably be a little better,  but a little more recoil. The 7mm mag, 300 mag, etc  would be to much for all but the toughest kid.
The .338 has.....