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#26 ChevyJoe

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:28 AM

View Postfj401ton, on 02 April 2016 - 06:26 AM, said:

You will never regret going with an ls motor over the dog of a 4.3,, way more power and torque, smoother, better throttle response and excellent fuel economy. after market support in case you want to make more vroom vroom etc ..

I may know a guy that has a very nice 6.2 L92 :ninja: :thumbsup: :secret:

If you do go with an Ls then maybe would suggest a pair of dana 60's

I am definitely going with an all aluminum LS, it's lighter, has more power and larger aftermarket support, but I can't afford a 6.2 and I know D44s won't hold up to even a stock 6.2L lol. I am trying to stay as light as possible and my plan is to run the 39.5 STS's like Blaine runs, in the snow. I think I can make D44s and a 5.3L work in the snow, then run 35s in the summer time.

Shoot me a message on that 6.2 Tom, may have another project for it :)

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:37 AM

View Post79chevy39.5, on 03 April 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

I have a extremely similar build in the works with my willys wagon on a custom frame low pinion front with jk gears yota rear a 4.8 4l60 241/300 doubler h1s with 42s wrapped around it. hope to start it this summer once my shops done

will be a dedicated snow wheeler just hoping to keep it light enough to get around and look cool. I built a 54 pickup a few years ago on a chevy frame that never was what I wanted it to be due to the factory frame limitations making it taller than I wanted.

anyways the whole point of my post is low pinion front with jk gears rcvs with 30 spline outters (costs way more than a stock 60 with similar strength but lighter with more clearance)

Man that is a lot of tire/weight, gearing, and motor for a low pinion 44 front and Toyota 8" rear

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 11:18 AM

you gonna chop the top?  i know my 53 has crazy head room, i would smash it off camber through the trees.

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 11:44 AM

A 44 will hold up to a 5.3 fine if you are smart. Look at Crawford and glass.  Both low pinion 44s with decent power v8s.  I would want a 60 in the back though.

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 01:26 PM

View Postgreen1, on 04 April 2016 - 11:18 AM, said:

you gonna chop the top?  i know my 53 has crazy head room, i would smash it off camber through the trees.

Not sure yet, but probably not. I'm not worried about denting this one, it'll just add more character

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 06:01 PM

View PostTryan100, on 04 April 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

A 44 will hold up to a 5.3 fine if you are smart. Look at Crawford and glass.  Both low pinion 44s with decent power v8s.  I would want a 60 in the back though.

I've been wondering if I'm better off with a 60 or shaved 14 bolt in the rear rather than a 44. I was thinking I'd save some weight and gain some ground clearance with a 3" tubed rear LP D44 while still having decent strength. I picked up a used JK 35 spline ARB for cheap that goes with the jk 5.38s I already have... probably the biggest reason for wanting to try a 44 in the rear

Edited by ChevyJoe, 05 April 2016 - 06:53 AM.


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Posted 04 April 2016 - 07:01 PM

Trans question: I had originally wanted an auto behind the LS but after riding with Atkins I am seriously reconsidering.... Nv4500 vs 4l60e: they both weigh the same when you figure in a trans cooler for the auto, I'd say the manual is stronger, the manual doesn't suck up as much power, the auto is more "gentile" on the rest of your drivetrain, auto is easier to drive for some, you can feather the clutch in the snow with the manual, the manual is lower geared/more gearing options.... I am 50-50, what do you guys think?

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 07:34 PM

Extra heat from the auto and loss of HP

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:17 PM

Nv 4500 is #240 with oil plus #40 for the fly wheel. Plus clutch?

The 4l60 is #176 with oil and converter. Maybe #20 for the cooler. Plus flexplate = not much?

That being said after driving Chad's it is a bad ass trans. In just snow I like the clutch better so far... But i'm not geared correct either.

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 08:48 PM

Quote

60 or shaved 14 bolt

Why not a 9"

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Posted 04 April 2016 - 09:33 PM

Stock 5.3 or 6.0 with 300-350hp, the NV4500 is the best option for the gearing and doesn't rob as much power.

Running 450-550hp, I'd definitely run the auto. I wouldn't be to concerned at that point with robbing power.  With the right valve body, converter and the 4spd auto you'll have lots of gearing options.

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Posted 05 April 2016 - 07:07 AM

View PostSHREK, on 04 April 2016 - 08:17 PM, said:

Nv 4500 is #240 with oil plus #40 for the fly wheel. Plus clutch?

The 4l60 is #176 with oil and converter. Maybe #20 for the cooler. Plus flexplate = not much?

That being said after driving Chad's it is a bad ass trans. In just snow I like the clutch better so far... But i'm not geared correct either.

Man just saving 100# with the auto makes me want to go that route... you have 200 more HP than I will, but what don't you like about your current gearing? If you could change it what would you go to? I can't remember what you told me... probably due to that loud ass motor you had singing the whole day lol

View PostJeep48, on 04 April 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

Why not a 9"

guess I really haven't thought about a 9"... I already have the 44 gears and locker though. if atkins can make HP 9"s last with power and 44" tires, I think I should be able to make the 44's last with less tire, weight and horsepower

View PostDrunk Prom Date, on 04 April 2016 - 09:33 PM, said:

Stock 5.3 or 6.0 with 300-350hp, the NV4500 is the best option for the gearing and doesn't rob as much power.

Running 450-550hp, I'd definitely run the auto. I wouldn't be to concerned at that point with robbing power.  With the right valve body, converter and the 4spd auto you'll have lots of gearing options.
I want to run an L33, which are around 330hp... I wish those damn nv4500s weren't so heavy! I don't think I want to go to an old 4 speed manual trans either

Edited by ChevyJoe, 05 April 2016 - 07:09 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2016 - 08:05 AM

3 speed Hero case. 5.44,2.7 , and 1to 1

Or 6 speed auto

Edited by SHREK, 05 April 2016 - 08:56 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2016 - 09:20 AM

View PostSHREK, on 05 April 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:

3 speed Hero case. 5.44,2.7 , and 1to 1

Or 6 speed auto

I forgot about the 6L80, but it probably robs more HP than the 4l60 and weighs the same at an nv4500.

I wish Stak never went out of business. Their 3speed mini cases would be badass

Edited by ChevyJoe, 05 April 2016 - 09:21 AM.


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Posted 05 April 2016 - 11:40 AM

Banging gears is the bestest!

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 12:04 PM

View PostSHREK, on 05 April 2016 - 08:05 AM, said:


Or 6 speed auto

When I grow up I want a 6L80e, well maybe sooner than later. From what I have researched you can run them stand alone manual tap shift which for me would be fine. :thumbsup:  And then with the 5.3 wired stand alone trans changes would be no big deal. BTW I am biased toward auto trans.

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 01:10 PM

Use randy slawsons set up.  Direct injected aluminum 4.3 with a 6l80.  Seems bad ass to me.  I am a fan of manuals but I don't drive very well and like having 2 hands on the wheel.

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 02:24 PM

View PostTryan100, on 08 April 2016 - 01:10 PM, said:

Use randy slawsons set up.  Direct injected aluminum 4.3 with a 6l80.  Seems bad ass to me.  I am a fan of manuals but I don't drive very well and like having 2 hands on the wheel.

this was my original plan but the 4.3 DI is only like 40 lbs less than an all aluminum LS and has no aftermarket support whereas the LS has an infinite amount of support and way more power adders. the 6l80 is freaking badass but you can only start out in the first 3 gears just like the 4l60 and the 4l60 is way smaller and lighter.

in the end though, it comes down to money lol. the 4.3/6l80 combos are crazy expensive being so new, its $1000 just to have the stock harness reworked and flashed

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Posted 08 April 2016 - 02:50 PM

Randy told me at Koh his Legends car was only 200 lbs lighter than his 4400 car. Not much savings especially when you figure his 4400 has 4 more shocks.

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 09:01 AM

View PostSHREK, on 08 April 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

Randy told me at Koh his Legends car was only 200 lbs lighter than his 4400 car. Not much savings especially when you figure his 4400 has 4 more shocks.
And 37s vs 39s I believe

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 03:44 PM

iirc to run the jk gears in a standard 44 you have to use a high speed std carrier

ls with 4l60 is what ill run in mine for cost and adaptability (Ill run a 241/300 doubler but have the option to adapt to toy cases)
the 6l80 is a very big trans and the pcm is the valve body and pretty much has to be replaced if a failure happens. (my experience is only as a gm tech so no aftermarket parts/tuning systems)

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 05:26 PM

a 6l80 and a 205 or 2;1 t case would be very cool,, I have a 6l80 for my rig and been trying to figure out how its going to fit,, maybe once i stretch my wheel base then ill consider putting it in with a 2:1 t case.. after market for the 6l80 is getting better and better as time goes on.
i priced out a 3 speed hero case and was blown away how much it was going to be with exchange rate and shipping :( 8600 canadian ... my wife would shoot me if i dropped that kinda cake on a t case.. :(

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Posted 09 April 2016 - 09:26 PM

I'm seriously considering dumping my 4L60e for a 6L80e, not sure which tcase yet but not a doubler. Using a 5.3 cammed up and a LS1 intake, 5:38 gears on 33-36's being able row through more gears is appealing. Research tells me I can run the 6spd stand alone full manual, I don't mind manually shifting my current 4spd auto.

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 06:23 AM

View PostR.DesJardin, on 09 April 2016 - 09:26 PM, said:

I'm seriously considering dumping my 4L60e for a 6L80e, not sure which tcase yet but not a doubler. Using a 5.3 cammed up and a LS1 intake, 5:38 gears on 33-36's being able row through more gears is appealing. Research tells me I can run the 6spd stand alone full manual, I don't mind manually shifting my current 4spd auto.



538's may be a little deep with only 33-36 inch tires, 4;1 first gear will be useless in 1;1, but great for technical crawling in low range , would think a 488 or even a 456 with those tire sizes in mind. I think stock gears are around the 377's on 32 inch tires?

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 08:45 AM

View Postfj401ton, on 10 April 2016 - 06:23 AM, said:





538's may be a little deep with only 33-36 inch tires, 4;1 first gear will be useless in 1;1, but great for technical crawling in low range , would think a 488 or even a 456 with those tire sizes in mind. I think stock gears are around the 377's on 32 inch tires?

I currently run 4.88's, wish I had 5.29's with 33's and 36's. The XJ won't be a DD and will seldom see highway speeds over 60, and with an OD or double OD trans I bet they'll be good. Plans are either a 241 or D300 as of right now. I did the speed/rpm calc and I'm good with the results. And what happens when I decide I need 40's.