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#1 Phantom 309

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:18 PM

I need another lens. The lens I'm replacing is a Cannon 75-250 F/4.5-5.6 IS.


I liked the zoom range on this one but always felt the images were sloppy. It would be nice to find one with a lower/faster aperture. I'm limited on price though. This will be a "trail" lens so I don't want to completely break the bank on a lens that eventually will get ruined again.

Any suggestions? It must be an IS lens.

#2 kfinney

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

I have a sigmaDC 18-200 3.5-6.3 and I love it.  It has the wide lens and zoom that has seemed just about right for all situations.  I have a 70-250 that I use (Shale's) when I know I'm going to be a ways away and it works great for that but I always seem to feel to close at some point.

The next lens I would like to get is obviously a zoom in the 2.8 flavor but that's a ways away lol  For some portraits I use a 2.8 50m but I really want to be about 80 to 100 when shooting portraits and still have to option of going to at least 250..

Off topic sorry.  For an all around lens I love my sigma and would definately replace it if something were to happen to it.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:07 PM

I would suggest renting some lenses.  Lets you try a few out for a couple of days and make a decision. (don't worry you can insure them for your leisurely drives :thumbsup: ) My better half uses this tactic to justify a new purchase.  Guess you have to test drive the car before buying it.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:24 PM

I've been drooling at LensRentals.com all day. Problem is.....I want to rent all the ones that I'll never be able to afford. lol I'm thinking about renting one for an upcoming Hells Canyon trip.




Anyone know anything about Tamron lens'?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:30 PM

My Mom uses Tamron lenes and I think she's been really happy with them.  In fact, I'm almost sure that her main lens right now is a Tamron.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

I've been shopping for something sharper, faster, than the 18-55, 1:3.5-5.6, standard kit lens that came with my camera. After much research, I've decided on the Tamron SP50 17-50mm  F2.8 Di-II XR AF IF VC. It's suppose to be very close to the Canon 17-55mm f2.8 IS USM which costs  $900+! You can pick up a like new one for $380-400 on E-Bay. This is as good as it gets for a good fast zoom (for a reasonable price). If you don't want to spend that much, the Sigma 17-70mm F2.8 isn't as sharp, but can be had for about $100 less. The Tamron 28-75mm is a little bigger, and suppose to be very sharp, but I don't think you can get it with IS, (Tamron calls it VC, Vibration Compensation)  You have to be careful when buying Sigma- They are reverse engineered, and so an older lens might not work with a newer camera. I've had good luck buying used lenses on E-Bay, you just have to be careful, and know what you're buying. There are a lot of lenses with wider zooms now, (Tamron 18-200mm, 18-270mm, Sigma 18-125mm, 18-200mm, 18-250mm etc.) but your going to give up sharpness for more zoom. Of course there's the Canon zooms also, but the good ones are big $$$.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:39 AM

View PostJeepinJunk, on 15 October 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

... but your going to give up sharpness for more zoom.


This is what I'm struggling with in my price range. I don't want to give up my zoom, but want a sharper lens. The only good combo of that I've found is L series lens' that are a couple of grand. That's what got me looking at Sigma and Tamron.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:19 AM

View PostPhantom 309, on 16 October 2012 - 06:39 AM, said:

This is what I'm struggling with in my price range. I don't want to give up my zoom, but want a sharper lens. The only good combo of that I've found is L series lens' that are a couple of grand. That's what got me looking at Sigma and Tamron.
SOME aftermarket lenses are near L quality, for less than 1/2 the price, but a lot of them are not very good. Make sure you check a lens out before you buy. Here's a good guide, but it's old and needs to be updated.  http://web500.us/bes...i-450d-50d-40d/  This is a good one!  http://www.bobatkins...eos_lenses.html

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:39 AM

I need to do some more research but I'm looking heavily toward a Tamron 18-200 or 18-270.

Any thoughts on how this would compare to my Cannon 75-250 F4.5-5.6?  The Tamron is faster at low zoom but I don't think I'll be shooting at 18mm very often. Most likely I will be in the 150mm on the average. Also, I'm having a hard time finding out if these lens have VC.



I thought I knew a lot about lens' but shit....my head is kinda swimming deciphering some of these places adds.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 07:55 AM

View PostPhantom 309, on 16 October 2012 - 07:39 AM, said:

Also, I'm having a hard time finding out if these lens have VC.






It appears that it is a VC lens, but depending on the add that I'm looking at, sometimes doesn't list it that way.

I'm also really liking the specs of the 70-200 F2.8

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:36 AM

I like the idea of a 2.8 but I use my wide angle quit a bit more than I thought I would so I wouldn't want to give that up.  I really like my sigma 18-200.  I want to say that Shale's lens is a Tamron 18-270 but I could be wrong.  I'll see if she'll chime in tonight.  I'm saving for an L series no doubt....not for the trail though lol

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:30 AM

View PostPhantom 309, on 16 October 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

It appears that it is a VC lens, but depending on the add that I'm looking at, sometimes doesn't list it that way.

I'm also really liking the specs of the 70-200 F2.8
Some of these lenses can be had with or without VC! That's why you have to be very careful when you buy on line. Go to Tamron's website for an explanation of what all those stupid letters mean.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:42 AM

Remember this is going to be a112-320mm lens on your camera, your not going to be shooting up close with that big of a lens. I guess since you had a 75-250mm before, you're OK with that?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:34 AM

View PostJeepinJunk, on 16 October 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Remember this is going to be a112-320mm lens on your camera, your not going to be shooting up close with that big of a lens.

Why is that? Does it have to do with the camera's sensor?


Ideally, if I could get something that shot from 18-200 and was reasonably fast I'd be pretty damn happy. What I'm wanting is a crisp, do all lens at a value price.....is that to much to ask? LOL

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:29 PM

I wish these lens companies would show what the prime aperture is at each focal range. That's what I really want to see when I look at these lens'.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:28 PM

View PostPhantom 309, on 16 October 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Why is that? Does it have to do with the camera's sensor?


Ideally, if I could get something that shot from 18-200 and was reasonably fast I'd be pretty damn happy. What I'm wanting is a crisp, do all lens at a value price.....is that to much to ask? LOL
Yes the sensor in most cameras are about 1/3 smaller than a 35mm neg., which is the gold standard for cameras & lenses. Everything is based on that 35mm frame. When you put a 100mm lens on a APS-C camera (ours) it's like cropping the photo, or zooming in to 150mm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APS-C Yes your asking to much! It costs lots of money to make high quality glass, then to put it into a superzoom format is almost impossible. If you want a large aperture (2.8 or larger) that takes a larger front lens, and it has to get bigger for a bigger mm lens- It might be 2" dia. on a 100mm lens, but 4" on a 300mm lens! The price starts skyrocketing on those big chunks of glass! So when you ask for an 18-200mm f2.8 thats sharp and at a reasonable price you're wanting what everybody wants-EVERYTHING! And they're getting closer to that all the time, but it's not here yet. If you want a good fast sharp zoom, settle for less, get a Tamron 17-50mm w/VC, or a Tamron 28-75mm for now, then save your pennies for a bigger zoom later. Or get the 18-200mm like Kari said, or the 18-270mm superzoom that Shale likes, but don't expect them to be as sharp!

Edited by JeepinJunk, 16 October 2012 - 07:08 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

View PostPhantom 309, on 16 October 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

It appears that it is a VC lens, but depending on the add that I'm looking at, sometimes doesn't list it that way.

I'm also really liking the specs of the 70-200 F2.8

I have the Tamron 18-270 3.5-6.3 VC. The VC can be turned off so that you can use it when needed. I mostly keep mine turned off except in low light situations. I love this lens - I have it on my camera all the time. I have another Tamron lens that KFinney is currently using - 17-50 2.8 - that's a very nice lens also; very fast.  I think you would be surprised at how much you would use the wide angle of the lens but this particular one can really reach out there too. Anyways - I like it.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:01 PM

Would something like this work for you? I have been looking all over the place trying to get some ideas for myself and it seemed like  a good deal??

http://www.ebay.com/...=item4d05c47d11

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:21 PM

View PostRidgelineMotorsports, on 16 October 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

Would something like this work for you? I have been looking all over the place trying to get some ideas for myself and it seemed like  a good deal??

http://www.ebay.com/...=item4d05c47d11


I guess you didn't read the first post. That is the lens I crushed. I want one that is faster.

I paid around $400 for this lens about five years ago (even before I had my camera) and now you can buy them new for around $200. Damn technology.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:27 PM

I thought that the one you crushed was a 75-250? What is the difference between that and the 55-250 i posted? I thought they were different lenses.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:30 PM

View PostJeepinJunk, on 16 October 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Yes your asking to much!

Sarcasm, Bill. Sarcasm :thumbsup:  I have the perfect lens picked out for me but I just can't find the damn thing under 2G.


Based on shooting with my 18-55, I think I'll go crazy without a zoom at least in the mid 100's. I like being able to sit back and get shots without having to get as close to the action. It just seems to give me more shooting options without having to move around as much. Like you said though, I'm really liking the aperture of some of the shorter lens' that I've looked at. Tomorrow I'm going to look harder at the Sigma and Tamron that KF and Shale are using.



One thing that keeps popping up in reviews (and JJ touched on it) is glass quality. It sounds like Cannon uses a higher quality glass than aftermarket companies. I've also read alot about the AF motor on Tamrons not being as powerful as Cannons. Opinions?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:32 PM

View PostRidgelineMotorsports, on 16 October 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

I thought that the one you crushed was a 75-250? What is the difference between that and the 55-250 i posted? I thought they were different lenses.

My mistake. That's a typo on the first post. It was supposed to read 55.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:39 PM

I am trying to get an understanding of how these damn things work. You, Bill, and Kari are the only ones I know that seem to have a good understanding of this stuff.

Edited by RidgelineMotorsports, 16 October 2012 - 09:59 PM.


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:40 PM

Canon L is the good glass!

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:45 PM

View PostJeepinJunk, on 16 October 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

Canon L is the good glass!

EF 28-300 F3.5-5.6L  

Why can't I just find this lens for $600, Bill? lol