Jump to content


The Unsure Project. Ford Snow Fighter.


  • Please log in to reply
181 replies to this topic

#1 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 14 December 2012 - 04:35 PM

This is the one I've been hinting at to some and that's about as far as people seem to care lol. Trail Beast is the only one that's caught a small sight of it. His words " Looks like it wants to be a buggy". Well I'm not sure if it will ever get to that point but... All I can do is try with what little I ever can get. Lots of big ideas and plans, but life = no $. But I have started doing some work. This is how it sits in a big fancy shop.

Posted Image

#2 nickb

nickb

    Web Wheeler Pro

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 664 posts
  • LocationFlexed out on a curb in Yakima.

Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:11 PM

Looks like you got your work cut out for ya Tom. Did you ever decide what you're gonna do with the front axle. I remember you said something about swapping it on the way back from werock

#3 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:22 PM

This is what the truck looked like this past summer.

Posted Image

Very clean, small dents, nothing much. Then I took the truck up on my B day and had a good time. Crawled some rocks, took it up on some trails, all was working out good. Then as many people have seen I blew the front middle axle joint and then it went bad from there. The rear end is welded so it either wanted to push the now broke front end or slide down hill. So my day of good luck, no scratches and dents to this...
Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Edited by tom58c, 14 December 2012 - 05:24 PM.


#4 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

So sense then ive taken most of the body off. And have been stripping the rear to shorten the frame.

Posted Image

Posted Image

#5 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 14 December 2012 - 05:36 PM

The front end... Its a 44 ttb which Im not a ttb hater as many are.

Posted Image

I know what it takes to fix the steering issue they have and I also know how to get good suspension flex with them. The problem is strength. A full sized with a 460 big block the 44 axles just wont last. Ive talked to Rocktoy about a ball joint high pinon dana 60 but cant seem to make things work out so I can give him a call. Ive even thought of a straight axle dana 50 out of a newer ford to be at least stronger then what I have.

The rear is a dana 70 u. All the strength I'm sure ill ever need back there.

Edited by tom58c, 14 December 2012 - 07:40 PM.


#6 Not a jeep

Not a jeep

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 160 posts
  • LocationTri cities

Posted 15 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

View Posttom58c, on 14 December 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

The front end... Its a 44 ttb which Im not a ttb hater as many are.

Posted Image

I know what it takes to fix the steering issue they have and I also know how to get good suspension flex with them. The problem is strength. A full sized with a 460 big block the 44 axles just wont last. Ive talked to Rocktoy about a ball joint high pinon dana 60 but cant seem to make things work out so I can give him a call. Ive even thought of a straight axle dana 50 out of a newer ford to be at least stronger then what I have.

The rear is a dana 70 u. All the strength I'm sure ill ever need back there.


Here's one of your helpful quotes:     (Looks like you don't want to listen anyway...) 

#7 dirtster

dirtster

    Dirtster

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,293 posts
  • LocationBuhl, ID

Posted 15 December 2012 - 04:56 PM

Well, why not make a buggy out of it. I have often thought of trying to find a wrecked vehicle something like yours that I could buy cheap and then go from there. I will be interested to see where you go with this.

How well I understand the money constraints.

#8 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 15 December 2012 - 11:58 PM

View PostNot a jeep, on 15 December 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Here's one of your helpful quotes: (Looks like you don't want to listen anyway...)

Yep, that's what I said. Only because it sounded like you where trying to make someone else sound stupid for their suggestion. Which I saw nothing stupid in what he said. So as I sit here I guess wondering what your getting at... yes, that is what I said.

#9 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:16 AM

View Postdirtster, on 15 December 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:


How well I understand the money constraints.

There are times I just want to say fuck it and run the 44 and take the chance of breaking it just to go wheeling. Just getting a dana 50 3rd, better shafts, and better joints for the front crosses my mined all the time.

#10 Phantom 309

Phantom 309

    Advanced Member

  • Administrators
  • 7,876 posts
  • Location2nd to last

Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:34 AM

View Posttom58c, on 16 December 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

....there are times I just want to say fuck it and run the 44 and take the chance of breaking it just to go wheeling.


There's something to be said for that. I realized a few years ago that I'd rather be out there jeepin' within the limits of my equipment, having fun, than at home stressing and saving every penny to try and "bullet proof" my rig.  You don't have to have a hardcore rig to have fun. You'll never regret getting out and enjoying the outdoors.

#11 snyder

snyder

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 461 posts
  • Locationgleed

Posted 16 December 2012 - 10:32 AM

What size tires are you planning on running with this.?

#12 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

Dream: built dana 60s with 46 in baja claws.

Reality, well kinda: Just some better parts in the front with 37s. What people in the full sized bronco world call the bastard size.

#13 GreenGo80

GreenGo80

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 382 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

I know of a few 44s out of fords but they are coil sprung and 5 lug. There might be a 8 lug front in the pile though. Could probly get one for decently cheap.

#14 Jay W

Jay W

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,529 posts
  • LocationYakima, WA

Posted 16 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

View Posttom58c, on 16 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Dream: built dana 60s with 46 in baja claws.

What would be the intended purpose of this vehicle?

#15 Trail Beast

Trail Beast

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 755 posts
  • LocationMarysville

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:58 AM

Chuggy out that Cherokee in your front yard, & put it on that frame. :smoke:

#16 fj401ton

fj401ton

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 326 posts
  • Locationcoquitlam, british columbia canada

Posted 21 December 2012 - 02:52 PM

View Posttom58c, on 16 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Dream: built dana 60s with 46 in baja claws.

Reality, well kinda: Just some better parts in the front with 37s. What people in the full sized bronco world call the bastard size.

I have this set up, and find the d60's are barely adequate for 46's  even with 4340 chromos for axles. Rotating mass is a killer then add  traction. i only run the 46's in the snow, and 39's for rock/trail wheelin

Edited by fj401ton, 21 December 2012 - 02:52 PM.


#17 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 21 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

View Postfj401ton, on 21 December 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

I have this set up, and find the d60's are barely adequate for 46's  even with 4340 chromos for axles. Rotating mass is a killer then add  traction. i only run the 46's in the snow, and 39's for rock/trail wheelin

For the snow is what I'm going for. There is also 40 spline options for 60's now.

#18 Trail Beast

Trail Beast

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 755 posts
  • LocationMarysville

Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:01 PM

View Postfj401ton, on 21 December 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

I have this set up, and find the d60's are barely adequate for 46's  even with 4340 chromos for axles. Rotating mass is a killer then add  traction. i only run the 46's in the snow, and 39's for rock/trail wheelin
What gear ratio?

#19 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

Thanks to Not a jeep for giving me the hint of some axles for sale in tri cities last night. I came home today with some 1.5 ton axles.

Dana 70 front and a Eaton m22 rear. For a grand total of 300 bucks :thumbsup:

They came out of a 1.5 ton international.

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Posted Image

Edited by tom58c, 28 December 2012 - 03:10 PM.


#20 Jay W

Jay W

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,529 posts
  • LocationYakima, WA

Posted 28 December 2012 - 04:13 PM

What are you doing for a transfer case with pass drop?

#21 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 29 December 2012 - 02:59 PM

So reading about closed knuckle 70s last night I was reading not so comforting things. Small 1.3 inch 23 or 21 spline inner shafts, and a 4 or 5 peace terajoint (or something like that) instead of a standard u joint. No parts around, or anything. A big waste of time people kept saying.

So as it turns out... A LOT of people don't know everything lol. So I pulled one side apart this morning to see whats inside. It was just like working on a toyota axle but with bigger parts. It was kinda nice actually. First thing was the lockout, and its not like one I've ever seen.

Posted Image

After that, the big drum brake hub, what looks like a standard 5 bolt 60 spindle popped out this.
Posted Image

A stub shaft measuring roughly 11 1/4 inches, 1.3 inch diameter with coarse spline 21 count. 1480 dana 60 u joint with no dust seals on the caps, and a 1.5 inch diameter 35 spline inner shaft.

Posted Image

Posted Image
Posted Image

Edited by tom58c, 29 December 2012 - 03:01 PM.


#22 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 29 December 2012 - 03:10 PM

As far as no parts... Well it didn't take long to find this site http://www.quad4x4.com/qk4616.html

I also read the you can ( with some work ) make a ford 5 stud spindle work on these knuckles. So then you can use normal stub shafts, hubs, so on. And make disk brake conversions work. I dont know the numbers and sizing on the spindle I pulled off, but ill look later.

Posted Image

Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image

#23 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:12 PM

Posted Image


Posted Image
Posted Image

#24 tom58c

tom58c

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 2,291 posts
  • LocationYakima

Posted 29 December 2012 - 04:14 PM

Posted Image
Posted Image
Posted Image

#25 Floorit

Floorit

    Administrator

  • Administrators
  • 2,562 posts
  • LocationYakima, WA

Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

Those axles are the original source for 35 spline stubs for a 60 front, so no surprise there. The axles that had the smaller stubs and tracta joints are older IH (big 6 lug) and older dodge.